Todays topic was brought on by a comment over at the "morally upright round things" (some weirdos refer to it as the "righteous orbs".) Where Tam talks about this Godawful evul selfish holy-paladin, that gets forced to play ret once in a while, and then has the nerves to roll on a dps axe, when the Death Knight tank rolled on it also!
Well, thank GOD, that the paladin -dispite of winning the roll- didn't have the moral codex of a flying squirrel, to keep it, but traded it to the rightfull owner. The tanking Death Knight.
So it was a story that ended well for everyone involved. The tank got his big axe, and the paladin learned a valuable lesson in knowing her place.
I guess the story should have ended there, if it was not for one priest in need of discipline (did you know that disciplinning priests are the most used two word combo in blog-titles anywhere? only second after the "hot" and "dot" combo.) Who made a comment that sparkled my post for today.
I roll a healing/healing spec myself, but my guess would be that hybrids didn't like the idea of announcing their MS at the beginning of the raid because (1) the want to hedge their bets, as you said, and (2) they don't want to come off as greedy jerks right at the start of every raid (I like to hide my greedy jerkitude until at least the first boss is down, personally).I, phew, so many things in that qouote made me stop and think. First off, why are people with multiple speccs slimy evul creatures who's only goal is to horde as much loot for themselves? Oh wait, no they are not.
If you have ever played the "3rd healer" in a 10 manned, you will know that having equally good dps and healing gear, is what will save your raid wipes, and frustration.
so why does people hate on players that save the raid and helps progress? Why do so many players think it is a bad idea that the paladin who switches from ret to holy in a heartbeat, gets to roll equally with healers on healing gear, and the melee on melee gear?
Could it be loot jealousy?
As I posted myself on Tams blog, the answer is DKP. In my guild we have 1 loot rule (well, many, but one above the others)
DKP decides, who gets the lootThe only exception for this rule is on Orange gear, but that is because it takes a guild-effort to get those staffs and axes. And so that is awarded to dedicated loyal players (who then get a DKP cut).
I'll take myself as an example (this is obviously also why I am so pissed at single-specc lootwhores) in my 10 manned raid I tank. I have spend all my dkp to make sure I can tank the best I possibly can. At the moment My tank gear is awsome. Apart from 1 neck piece, i am very happy with every single piece of gear I own. because when we raid in 10s I often tank.
When I backup in 25 I dps. I dps somewhere above the tanks, around the mark of the expose armor sluts rogues. Way below all the other dps. Because I have focused my gear on tanking. Ive saved up my dkp and my frost emblems to get me as good a tanking set as possible.
So I am never a benefit for my raid-group when I dps, because I am a tier and a half behind everyone else.
You can't get dps gear, you are a tank
So I sign up for VoA, I do not need anything from VoA.. Tankwise. And this is VoA 25 we are talking about. And I do not need a single item. That is pretty good for a 10 manned raider.
And yet, I have to queue up as dps, in order to be allowed to get dps. And Im looking at a 45k DK in half n half gear, saying he will MT.
How is me pretending to be a dps only helping anyone there?
Luckily the raid-leader is a guildie of mine, so I ask if I should tank. "please" is the response. and so I have to make a big deal out of
"yes, I will tank for you, but I am here as dps, so I will be rolling on dps gear only"
I realise in a PuG raid people will roll need on any loot that isn't red.
Within reaon of course. When you see someone who bids on gear that would make a huge difference to them, you let em win, but if its a toss up, you roll for it. For the betterment of the entire guilds progress.
Did it hurt me when I lost the bid for lord marrowgaws axe, for the second time in two weeks?
It did, but I did not have the dkp for it, and the upgrade was huge for me, but not that huge, and I did. not. have. the. dkp.
Tam; no this whole post is not aimed at your guilds practices, yes, i misread your post on purpose, and yes I do know that this is not the way things went down, and the DK needed the axe more, and the paladin wasnt forced to do anything. That post was just a catalyst for something thats bugged me for a long time.